Comments on: Switching from Raw Vegan Diet to the Paleolithic Diet http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/ For book lovers, seekers, health enthusiasts and thinkers Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:53:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Zach http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-3086 Zach Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:44:46 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-3086 As for vegan-paleo living, it is certainly possible. It may be much more difficult to find "paleo-kosher" food, but Mark Scisson keeps an open mind when it comes to vegetarian-like paleo diets. Meat just happens to be a great source of a lot of different nutrients and if you happen to be primal, you know you're getting the right stuff (so long as you're getting grass-fed meat). As for vegan-paleo living, it is certainly possible. It may be much more difficult to find “paleo-kosher” food, but Mark Scisson keeps an open mind when it comes to vegetarian-like paleo diets. Meat just happens to be a great source of a lot of different nutrients and if you happen to be primal, you know you’re getting the right stuff (so long as you’re getting grass-fed meat).

]]> By: Zach http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-3085 Zach Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:38:09 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-3085 I'm all for skepticism, but not for the sake of skepticism. Mark Scisson's Primal Blueprint diet is understandably a very controversial one. It criticizes a lot of conventional wisdom that many doctors, physicians, and dietitians regard as canon. It's not as if Mark intends on creating a new body of conventional wisdom that we should worship and never critique, however. Mark encourages compromise, exploration, and keeping a critical and open mind when it comes to everything. Mark hasn't just made all of this wisdom up, either, he cites relevant information and scientific research and when it comes to conventional wisdom on things like saturated fat, and he points out inconsistencies in the research that's so widely acclaimed. And believe me, there are gigantic inconsistencies. What's annoying to me is when people wave around a PhD and people take what they say as truth simply because their opinion is expert. Unfortunately having a PhD doesn't magically make what you say true, and a lot of -- I'd say most of what is taught in terms of nutrition, is false. The lipid hypothesis is a complete and total sham, and the government approved nutrition facts and food pyramid are also a complete sham. Yet perhaps the most irritating argument is the "well I see you have some good points but I'm still sticking to the diet I've always had". This argument prides itself on being skeptic -- except when it comes to the conventional wisdom! You're not being skeptic just by saying you're skeptic, and to look for the truth you have to attack the substance of an argument with hard, scientific evidence, not anecdotal bullcrap and junk science. Think the paleo diet is ridiculous? Only think it has "a few good points"? Please enlighten me, I would love to know why I should still be eating 300 grams of carbohydrates a day as part of a "healthy, balanced diet". I’m all for skepticism, but not for the sake of skepticism.

Mark Scisson’s Primal Blueprint diet is understandably a very controversial one. It criticizes a lot of conventional wisdom that many doctors, physicians, and dietitians regard as canon. It’s not as if Mark intends on creating a new body of conventional wisdom that we should worship and never critique, however. Mark encourages compromise, exploration, and keeping a critical and open mind when it comes to everything. Mark hasn’t just made all of this wisdom up, either, he cites relevant information and scientific research and when it comes to conventional wisdom on things like saturated fat, and he points out inconsistencies in the research that’s so widely acclaimed. And believe me, there are gigantic inconsistencies.

What’s annoying to me is when people wave around a PhD and people take what they say as truth simply because their opinion is expert. Unfortunately having a PhD doesn’t magically make what you say true, and a lot of — I’d say most of what is taught in terms of nutrition, is false. The lipid hypothesis is a complete and total sham, and the government approved nutrition facts and food pyramid are also a complete sham.

Yet perhaps the most irritating argument is the “well I see you have some good points but I’m still sticking to the diet I’ve always had”. This argument prides itself on being skeptic — except when it comes to the conventional wisdom! You’re not being skeptic just by saying you’re skeptic, and to look for the truth you have to attack the substance of an argument with hard, scientific evidence, not anecdotal bullcrap and junk science. Think the paleo diet is ridiculous? Only think it has “a few good points”? Please enlighten me, I would love to know why I should still be eating 300 grams of carbohydrates a day as part of a “healthy, balanced diet”.

]]> By: Doing Raw Right http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-3056 Doing Raw Right Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:11:51 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-3056 You can't say you "switched" from raw vegan to paleo because you never were a raw vegan (5 days don't count). I'm raw vegan for years - thriving on it and not skinny or hungry all the time. Paleo and raw vegan (primal vegan) are very similar except we get our fat needs met through nuts, seeds, fruits, vegetables and oils. Both paleo and primal-vegan (raw) eschew heavily processed foods. The live-er, the better! You can’t say you “switched” from raw vegan to paleo because you never were a raw vegan (5 days don’t count).

I’m raw vegan for years – thriving on it and not skinny or hungry all the time.

Paleo and raw vegan (primal vegan) are very similar except we get our fat needs met through nuts, seeds, fruits, vegetables and oils.

Both paleo and primal-vegan (raw) eschew heavily processed foods.

The live-er, the better!

]]> By: Weekend Link Love - Edition 54 | Mark's Daily Apple http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-3050 Weekend Link Love - Edition 54 | Mark's Daily Apple Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:08:08 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-3050 [...] a smarter display of grocery savvy, Open Mind Required vlogs about her recent switch from Vegan to Primal; and she’s got the foods to prove [...] [...] a smarter display of grocery savvy, Open Mind Required vlogs about her recent switch from Vegan to Primal; and she’s got the foods to prove [...]

]]> By: Jacob http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-2980 Jacob Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:05:48 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-2980 Apologies for the typos. Apologies for the typos.

]]> By: Jacob http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-2979 Jacob Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:03:18 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-2979 Hi, I am a recovering raw.vegan. I had a myryiad of serious health problems. Through trial and error I finally discover that calories do matter. Phytates do matter and grains nuts.and seeds destroy your body. Especially raw uncooked. Heed my warnings. By almost dieing I painfully realized that after a year of fatigue , anemia, frequent dizzyness. deppression and mood swings. It was the starches suger, nuts seeds and grains all along doing this. High oxalates from spinich and mosy plant foods especially tomatoes prevented me from absorbing iron and calcium. I ate 1 slab of meat. Drowsy in 20 minutes. Then it went away, all symptoms evaporated. Its been a week. I have most of my former strength back. Moods are stabalized. Ill never eat nuts seeds grains, ever again. also lettuce blueberries, and onions. I only eat natural human raised meat sometimes I eat cheese. Sometimes. I always eat lettuce with meats and other veggies. The fiber and enzmes work to digest. Stay away from drugs cooking veggies, heating veggie oils, and of course NSGS. Just keep at it till you get it. You wont regret it. Hope I was helpful. Hi, I am a recovering raw.vegan. I had a myryiad of serious health problems. Through trial and error I finally discover that calories do matter. Phytates do matter and grains nuts.and seeds destroy your body. Especially raw uncooked. Heed my warnings. By almost dieing I painfully realized that after a year of fatigue , anemia, frequent dizzyness. deppression and mood swings. It was the starches suger, nuts seeds and grains all along doing this. High oxalates from spinich and mosy plant foods especially tomatoes prevented me from absorbing iron and calcium. I ate 1 slab of meat. Drowsy in 20 minutes. Then it went away, all symptoms evaporated. Its been a week. I have most of my former strength back. Moods are stabalized. Ill never eat nuts seeds grains, ever again. also lettuce blueberries, and onions. I only eat natural human raised meat sometimes I eat cheese. Sometimes. I always eat lettuce with meats and other veggies. The fiber and enzmes work to digest. Stay away from drugs cooking veggies, heating veggie oils, and of course NSGS. Just keep at it till you get it. You wont regret it. Hope I was helpful.

]]> By: Lydia http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-2906 Lydia Wed, 05 May 2010 01:24:57 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-2906 I have read a book with something that may explain what is going on for you. Have you read Dr Abravanel's Body Type diet approach? He basically breaks it down into four types - Ps, Ts, As and Gs. He claims that the Ps in particular do not fare well as vegans and do thrive on meat - they are usually the same types who thrive on Atkins, Paleolithic diets etc. The same diet will be poisonous to the As and Gs of which I am one, so a raw vegan diet can work for me. It also explained why two of us in our household thrive as vegans but two don't do well at all. (2 x As and 2 x Ts who need eggs). So it may be right for you that meat is working (however if you are a P, dairy will cause you to gain weight and should be excluded from your diet at all times). Only 5% of the population are really Ps, although a lot of meat lovers would love to be. I hope this helps you on your journey. Lydia I have read a book with something that may explain what is going on for you. Have you read Dr Abravanel’s Body Type diet approach? He basically breaks it down into four types – Ps, Ts, As and Gs. He claims that the Ps in particular do not fare well as vegans and do thrive on meat – they are usually the same types who thrive on Atkins, Paleolithic diets etc. The same diet will be poisonous to the As and Gs of which I am one, so a raw vegan diet can work for me. It also explained why two of us in our household thrive as vegans but two don’t do well at all. (2 x As and 2 x Ts who need eggs).

So it may be right for you that meat is working (however if you are a P, dairy will cause you to gain weight and should be excluded from your diet at all times). Only 5% of the population are really Ps, although a lot of meat lovers would love to be. I hope this helps you on your journey.

Lydia

]]> By: Joanne http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-2703 Joanne Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:17:06 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-2703 Hello, Elena. Thank you for reading my blog and commenting. No, I am not a teacher by profession, but I feel I am meant to be a teacher. So I teach whenever I can, whenever someone will listen. I already have the olive oil, garlic and sea salt, so no need to bring that :) I also have butter (both cultured and not), bacon grease and coconut oil. Yum! I'm glad you liked the video. If your heart is in it, you should make your own video. It's a lot of fun, and more interesting than a slide show. And it's not too hard if you have editing software. Best of luck to you. Hello, Elena. Thank you for reading my blog and commenting. No, I am not a teacher by profession, but I feel I am meant to be a teacher. So I teach whenever I can, whenever someone will listen.

I already have the olive oil, garlic and sea salt, so no need to bring that :) I also have butter (both cultured and not), bacon grease and coconut oil. Yum!

I’m glad you liked the video. If your heart is in it, you should make your own video. It’s a lot of fun, and more interesting than a slide show. And it’s not too hard if you have editing software.

Best of luck to you.

]]> By: Dr Elena Manrique http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-2701 Dr Elena Manrique Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:33:43 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-2701 Hi Joanne I found your video absolutely lovely, it was phylantropic, educational, enlightening! you have a great personality too. Are you a teacher? This is Elena Manrique 51 year old general physician from Mexico City and certified by Inflammation Research Foundation from Boston Mass, and Instituto para la investigación de la inflamación, Guadalajara Mex. It is the Zone Diet, and I am doing a research in all these topics for my intention is to have an educational CD for my patients and my doctor friend´s patients. All you showed in your table was so yammy!!. If I were invited to dinner with you the only thing I´d bring is olive oil and garlic and a bit of sea salt. Also of the omega 3 I´d bring you the omega 3 from Barry Sears (www.ifos.org) for other trademarks (I do not know about the one you bought) have mercury, PCBs, Dioxines and Araquidonic Acid, and better stay away from those. I just loooved all the stuff in your table, specially Shitake mushrooms that I found out (50 Secrets from the Longest Lived People- by Sally Beare) that is for immune boosting. It was very brave and loving of you to do such a video. I was thinking in doing just slides but maybe I´d dare to do a video like yours. I want to share with you my best choices in the web that are: www.drmercola.com and www.ultrawellness.com (Dr. Mercola´s and Dr. Hayman´s) they are so much of this anti-inflammatory medicine, recently there was a Meridian Tapping TEchnique summit for treating aaall kinds of traumas and stress, so good an impact on my level of stress ans suffering, amazing. Ok Joanne thanks again for having posted your video, you transcended in my life and also on what I will do for the better, now after I saw it. A big hug, Elena. Hi Joanne I found your video absolutely lovely, it was phylantropic, educational, enlightening! you have a great personality too. Are you a teacher?
This is Elena Manrique 51 year old general physician from Mexico City and certified by Inflammation Research Foundation from Boston Mass, and Instituto para la investigación de la inflamación, Guadalajara Mex. It is the Zone Diet, and I am doing a research in all these topics for my intention is to have an educational CD for my patients and my doctor friend´s patients. All you showed in your table was so yammy!!. If I were invited to dinner with you the only thing I´d bring is olive oil and garlic and a bit of sea salt. Also of the omega 3 I´d bring you the omega 3 from Barry Sears (www.ifos.org) for other trademarks (I do not know about the one you bought) have mercury, PCBs, Dioxines and Araquidonic Acid, and better stay away from those.
I just loooved all the stuff in your table, specially Shitake mushrooms that I found out (50 Secrets from the Longest Lived People- by Sally Beare) that is for immune boosting. It was very brave and loving of you to do such a video. I was thinking in doing just slides but maybe I´d dare to do a video like yours.
I want to share with you my best choices in the web that are: http://www.drmercola.com and http://www.ultrawellness.com (Dr. Mercola´s and Dr. Hayman´s) they are so much of this anti-inflammatory medicine, recently there was a Meridian Tapping TEchnique summit for treating aaall kinds of traumas and stress, so good an impact on my level of stress ans suffering, amazing.
Ok Joanne thanks again for having posted your video, you transcended in my life and also on what I will do for the better, now after I saw it.
A big hug, Elena.

]]> By: Joanne http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/06/switching-from-raw-vegan-diet-to-the-paleolithic-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-2577 Joanne Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:19:29 +0000 http://openmindrequired.com/blog/?p=1638#comment-2577 Ashley, I haven't found success with it because it was too hard to follow. Despite believing in raw food as the ultimate diet, I was never able to adhere to it. It took you 9 years to get on the diet. Most people will never be able to follow this diet, which means it's not a realistic diet for the human species. My advice to you is to read up on vegan nutritional deficiencies, and make sure you supplement accordingly. You're going to feel great for a while from just getting off processed foods and coffee, but over time you may suffer from nutritional deficiencies. If you run out of B12, you can cause damage that will take years to recover from. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and I hope you stick around. Ashley, I haven’t found success with it because it was too hard to follow. Despite believing in raw food as the ultimate diet, I was never able to adhere to it. It took you 9 years to get on the diet. Most people will never be able to follow this diet, which means it’s not a realistic diet for the human species.

My advice to you is to read up on vegan nutritional deficiencies, and make sure you supplement accordingly. You’re going to feel great for a while from just getting off processed foods and coffee, but over time you may suffer from nutritional deficiencies. If you run out of B12, you can cause damage that will take years to recover from.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and I hope you stick around.

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