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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
		<link>http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/03/801010-diet-wont-work-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a vegan an I can assure you that all vegans aren&#039;t fanatical when my boyfriend first found out about it he teased me and said I was going to sleep in the garage. We get food stamps every month for the two of us and when ever I go shopping I make sure to get his favorite meats. When we get soaps and such we get the kinds that weren&#039;t tested on animals nor do we get the ons that have animal fats in them. So I have faith that a vegan and a meat and veggie eater     ( lol ) can coexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a vegan an I can assure you that all vegans aren&#8217;t fanatical when my boyfriend first found out about it he teased me and said I was going to sleep in the garage. We get food stamps every month for the two of us and when ever I go shopping I make sure to get his favorite meats. When we get soaps and such we get the kinds that weren&#8217;t tested on animals nor do we get the ons that have animal fats in them. So I have faith that a vegan and a meat and veggie eater     ( lol ) can coexist.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dustin, if it turns you on to eat 23 bananas, then knock yourself out. 

As for killing humans, who said it&#039;s wrong? Our species has been doing so since we first figured out how. It&#039;s called war. It&#039;s called profit. It&#039;s called self-protection. 

We have laws against letting the little people kill each other, and those same laws protect the powerful among us while they go about the globe wiping out other aggressors over territory and resources. 

Without war (and microbes) reducing the population, where would we be? Especially with all those foolish people thinking the command given to Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiple was meant for them, too! 

At least most of us aren&#039;t cannibals like our long-lost cousins, the chimpanzees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin, if it turns you on to eat 23 bananas, then knock yourself out. </p>
<p>As for killing humans, who said it&#8217;s wrong? Our species has been doing so since we first figured out how. It&#8217;s called war. It&#8217;s called profit. It&#8217;s called self-protection. </p>
<p>We have laws against letting the little people kill each other, and those same laws protect the powerful among us while they go about the globe wiping out other aggressors over territory and resources. </p>
<p>Without war (and microbes) reducing the population, where would we be? Especially with all those foolish people thinking the command given to Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiple was meant for them, too! </p>
<p>At least most of us aren&#8217;t cannibals like our long-lost cousins, the chimpanzees.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/03/801010-diet-wont-work-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3155</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, I eat 4000 - 5000 calories a day of fruit and veggies. And I don&#039;t think it&#039;s too much volume at all. I&#039;ve always eaten high volume since I require so many calories, and, while it&#039;s much more volume eating raw fruits and veggies, it&#039;s not more than a few weeks of transitioning can&#039;t handle.

It really sucks the first few times you eat over 10 bananas (I&#039;ve eaten 23 in one sitting). My girlfriend used to HATE bananas, just didn&#039;t like them AT ALL. Now I can&#039;t keep her away from them. It&#039;s all about spending a little time on the diet, not getting down on yourself for cheating here and there, and letting your body develop a desire for the sugars and the volume. I promise it&#039;s inside every one of us. It&#039;s easier for some to adjust than others, but if we had all started as infants, we wouldn&#039;t be having this dialog.


I&#039;d also like to add that vegans who are excitable and &#039;militant&#039; are the unlucky ones. The reason that they act this way is that they see the injustices around them and feel nearly powerless to change them. They have few options to help, and one of them is yelling at you.

You can believe that morality is one&#039;s own personal choice, and you can draw the line wherever seems right to you. But if I decided that I didn&#039;t think it was wrong to kill a human, you would be perfectly reasonable to try to convince me otherwise. It&#039;s wrong to YOU, not me.
Doesn&#039;t that sound a little silly??

Apple and oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, I eat 4000 &#8211; 5000 calories a day of fruit and veggies. And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too much volume at all. I&#8217;ve always eaten high volume since I require so many calories, and, while it&#8217;s much more volume eating raw fruits and veggies, it&#8217;s not more than a few weeks of transitioning can&#8217;t handle.</p>
<p>It really sucks the first few times you eat over 10 bananas (I&#8217;ve eaten 23 in one sitting). My girlfriend used to HATE bananas, just didn&#8217;t like them AT ALL. Now I can&#8217;t keep her away from them. It&#8217;s all about spending a little time on the diet, not getting down on yourself for cheating here and there, and letting your body develop a desire for the sugars and the volume. I promise it&#8217;s inside every one of us. It&#8217;s easier for some to adjust than others, but if we had all started as infants, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this dialog.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to add that vegans who are excitable and &#8216;militant&#8217; are the unlucky ones. The reason that they act this way is that they see the injustices around them and feel nearly powerless to change them. They have few options to help, and one of them is yelling at you.</p>
<p>You can believe that morality is one&#8217;s own personal choice, and you can draw the line wherever seems right to you. But if I decided that I didn&#8217;t think it was wrong to kill a human, you would be perfectly reasonable to try to convince me otherwise. It&#8217;s wrong to YOU, not me.<br />
Doesn&#8217;t that sound a little silly??</p>
<p>Apple and oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also found this page by searching for people who tried the 80/10/10 diet but didn&#039;t like it.
I&#039;d like to point out that a lot of people have trouble with the 80/10/10 diet.

In almost every case (and maybe absolutely every case), it&#039;s that the diet isn&#039;t being executed correctly. It takes a lot of trial and error to re-learn what we should have spent the first 15 years of our lives learning. And if you had grown up eating that type of volume, it wouldn&#039;t seem weird at all.

I thrive on the 80/10/10 diet, but I had my rough patches, too. Times when I thought that I should try something different.

Fact is, we DON&#039;T need different things. This is a huge myth, perpetuated by peoples&#039; desire for an easier way. Fruits and vegetables have it all, whatever your body could need, in the highest concentration per calorie. What more is there to know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also found this page by searching for people who tried the 80/10/10 diet but didn&#8217;t like it.<br />
I&#8217;d like to point out that a lot of people have trouble with the 80/10/10 diet.</p>
<p>In almost every case (and maybe absolutely every case), it&#8217;s that the diet isn&#8217;t being executed correctly. It takes a lot of trial and error to re-learn what we should have spent the first 15 years of our lives learning. And if you had grown up eating that type of volume, it wouldn&#8217;t seem weird at all.</p>
<p>I thrive on the 80/10/10 diet, but I had my rough patches, too. Times when I thought that I should try something different.</p>
<p>Fact is, we DON&#8217;T need different things. This is a huge myth, perpetuated by peoples&#8217; desire for an easier way. Fruits and vegetables have it all, whatever your body could need, in the highest concentration per calorie. What more is there to know?</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Pam:

Have you tried blended salads? You know, throw them in a blender or food processor so they get chopped up small.  

If you want some of the benefits of meat without the heavy load, you could always make bone broths. Make some bone broth for a nice minestrone soup. That way you get some protein, fat and gelatin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Pam:</p>
<p>Have you tried blended salads? You know, throw them in a blender or food processor so they get chopped up small.  </p>
<p>If you want some of the benefits of meat without the heavy load, you could always make bone broths. Make some bone broth for a nice minestrone soup. That way you get some protein, fat and gelatin.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Murphy,M.S.,RRT</title>
		<link>http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/03/801010-diet-wont-work-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3151</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam Murphy,M.S.,RRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently I&#039;m not eating meat. Yeah I feel bad for the animals... but basically I just feel better physically when I don&#039;t eat meat.  Been doing a lot of thinking and researching because since my colon surgery in June I have found myself unable to eat salads. Yikes.  I hope that is going to change. Had already read Matt Stone and marked 80-10-10 off my list but I continued googling and found you. Loved your post! Will &quot;see&quot; you on Facebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently I&#8217;m not eating meat. Yeah I feel bad for the animals&#8230; but basically I just feel better physically when I don&#8217;t eat meat.  Been doing a lot of thinking and researching because since my colon surgery in June I have found myself unable to eat salads. Yikes.  I hope that is going to change. Had already read Matt Stone and marked 80-10-10 off my list but I continued googling and found you. Loved your post! Will &#8220;see&#8221; you on Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://openmindrequired.com/blog/2009/03/801010-diet-wont-work-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3121</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Jenalee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Jenalee.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenalee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenalee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a vegan for over a decade and found the claims of egotism, etc pretty hurtful.  I never force my opinions on others.  I really only get into conversations about it when asked because it&#039;s not the focus of my life.  I&#039;ve been doing it so long that it&#039;s just part of my life- very nonobsessive.  I just don&#039;t consume animal products.  I will share everything I know with those who are curious, though get annoyed with this constant misconception that I must be pushy just because I&#039;m vegan.  It&#039;s a stereotype which I try not to label others but people have a propensity for labeling, so I try to ignore it.  I just wanted to set the record straight- I want to make a positive impact on the world in the small way that I can, which is why I&#039;m vegan.  It&#039;s also why I&#039;m not pushy, because I feel that just gives vegans a bad name.  I always feel awful when meat eaters are pushy with me, so I don&#039;t so it back.  I will defend my ideas and share knowledge if someone is curious and asks.  This doesn&#039;t make me egotistical or pushy.  I am a humble individual and try to lift others up.  I don&#039;t discriminate in my relationships and feel life would be very limited if I did.  So all of these stereotypes that have been discussed above do not apply to me or many of the vegans I know or have known.  I do not like being labelled as this, since I am a nice, caring person and feel that to label a group who is trying to do something positive by the offenders of the bunch is taking the easy way out.  What I do is more difficult that if I didn&#039;t care at all, but I do it because I believe it&#039;s right.  I&#039;m not hurting anybody- so please don&#039;t label me as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a vegan for over a decade and found the claims of egotism, etc pretty hurtful.  I never force my opinions on others.  I really only get into conversations about it when asked because it&#8217;s not the focus of my life.  I&#8217;ve been doing it so long that it&#8217;s just part of my life- very nonobsessive.  I just don&#8217;t consume animal products.  I will share everything I know with those who are curious, though get annoyed with this constant misconception that I must be pushy just because I&#8217;m vegan.  It&#8217;s a stereotype which I try not to label others but people have a propensity for labeling, so I try to ignore it.  I just wanted to set the record straight- I want to make a positive impact on the world in the small way that I can, which is why I&#8217;m vegan.  It&#8217;s also why I&#8217;m not pushy, because I feel that just gives vegans a bad name.  I always feel awful when meat eaters are pushy with me, so I don&#8217;t so it back.  I will defend my ideas and share knowledge if someone is curious and asks.  This doesn&#8217;t make me egotistical or pushy.  I am a humble individual and try to lift others up.  I don&#8217;t discriminate in my relationships and feel life would be very limited if I did.  So all of these stereotypes that have been discussed above do not apply to me or many of the vegans I know or have known.  I do not like being labelled as this, since I am a nice, caring person and feel that to label a group who is trying to do something positive by the offenders of the bunch is taking the easy way out.  What I do is more difficult that if I didn&#8217;t care at all, but I do it because I believe it&#8217;s right.  I&#8217;m not hurting anybody- so please don&#8217;t label me as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of what you say here. I gave the 80-10-10 diet an extremely fair shake, following years of infatuation with veganism and raw food diets. 80-10-10 did not live up to the hype, and in fact, once I actually took the time to educate MYSELF about nutrition, biology, sustainable food culture, the environment, etc. (instead of blindly accepting whatever raw &amp; vegan gurus chose to tell me) I came to realize how deeply ignorant I was (whilst thinking myself so wise and &quot;in the know,&quot; a trap many smug vegangelicals fall into).

I decided, in May of this year, to do a 30 day trial of the paleo diet. I blogged about it on my website. I write a great deal over the course of the 30 days about my own process of disillusionment and evolution away from the vegan diet:

http://www.my-healthy-eating-secrets.com/paleo-diet.html

Thanks for your thoughtful article...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of what you say here. I gave the 80-10-10 diet an extremely fair shake, following years of infatuation with veganism and raw food diets. 80-10-10 did not live up to the hype, and in fact, once I actually took the time to educate MYSELF about nutrition, biology, sustainable food culture, the environment, etc. (instead of blindly accepting whatever raw &amp; vegan gurus chose to tell me) I came to realize how deeply ignorant I was (whilst thinking myself so wise and &#8220;in the know,&#8221; a trap many smug vegangelicals fall into).</p>
<p>I decided, in May of this year, to do a 30 day trial of the paleo diet. I blogged about it on my website. I write a great deal over the course of the 30 days about my own process of disillusionment and evolution away from the vegan diet:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.my-healthy-eating-secrets.com/paleo-diet.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.my-healthy-eating-secrets.com/paleo-diet.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>yhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some vegetarians/vegans still look great like Mike Adams and Mimi Kirk. I wonder if Doug Graham is lacking EFA&#039;s, proteins, certain minerals, fat soluble vitamins (requires fats to digest). It&#039;s hard to compare his skin quality because of the poor resolution or lighting conditions. He really should consider the nutritional typing diet.

Sometimes skin laxity is genetic. The condition is called cutis laxa which causes the skin to sag very easily because of the deficiency of lysyl oxidase which cross-links collagen and elastin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some vegetarians/vegans still look great like Mike Adams and Mimi Kirk. I wonder if Doug Graham is lacking EFA&#8217;s, proteins, certain minerals, fat soluble vitamins (requires fats to digest). It&#8217;s hard to compare his skin quality because of the poor resolution or lighting conditions. He really should consider the nutritional typing diet.</p>
<p>Sometimes skin laxity is genetic. The condition is called cutis laxa which causes the skin to sag very easily because of the deficiency of lysyl oxidase which cross-links collagen and elastin.</p>
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